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	<title>Comments on: Dr Sam Parnia on Near Death Experiences, live from the APRU at Goldsmiths (#goldapru).</title>
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		<title>By: Dee Shelley</title>
		<link>http://www.skeptic.org.uk/news/2010/2494/comment-page-1#comment-2154</link>
		<dc:creator>Dee Shelley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jan 2011 02:03:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had an experience too, and wrote to Dr Parnia in an effort to be part of his study many years ago, but got no reply. I would be very interested to read about your experience and like you, was compelled to wite a book about it, being so profound and life changing. 

I do hope the opinons here by others are not being made by scientists or those in the medical profession as that is worrying. I understand how extraordinary it sounds to hear someone suggest they went up a tunnel, saw the light of God, or heard voices, but once you know, you know, and you realise how little we are within the universe, though vitally part of it.

I tried to make a point in my book, that it is the power of thought, depth, and pureness of meaning that I believe transcended me to where I was, and thought is something that can not be measured, so scientifically it doesnt count in most equations, not forming part of any empirical studies as a result.

In my experience, I was aware of two things in particular, vibration and speed, and can only say, I realised there was no such thing as time, which I believe I crossed, and certainly another dimension.

Unable to talk about this for the first three years, I wrote it all down. I have always had difficulty talking about it to anyone as your automatically assumed mad. However, I am not mad, and though it happened 20 years ago, from what i&#039;m reading in comments, things still remain the same.

There is a lot that science needs to redress, and no particular scientific doctrine has all the answers. Maybe they never will, and maybe theyre not supposed to. But there is a higher force, much much greater than us, which is all knowing, and watching.

Thought, is the key IMHO, and as William James (1850) theorized, some people can reach a higher level of consciousness than others, which could explain why some trandscend and others dont.

As John Jones says &quot; If the study of consciousness is a physical study then we ought to see that it is bogus straight away&quot;.

Of course, from an empirical perspective. But in seeking the answers Dr Parnia wants
he is using trauma patients, as they have brought their experiences to his attention, so he&#039;s looking for the physical connection. I wanted to let him know, it happened to me, and I wasn&#039;t a trauma patient in a medical sense, dieing on a table. But experiencing emotional trauma, and of the belief I might die. 

Hence why I know, thought was the trigger, and like Sandy Acharjee, I remember every second.



Being only human  myself, I am still also learning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had an experience too, and wrote to Dr Parnia in an effort to be part of his study many years ago, but got no reply. I would be very interested to read about your experience and like you, was compelled to wite a book about it, being so profound and life changing. </p>
<p>I do hope the opinons here by others are not being made by scientists or those in the medical profession as that is worrying. I understand how extraordinary it sounds to hear someone suggest they went up a tunnel, saw the light of God, or heard voices, but once you know, you know, and you realise how little we are within the universe, though vitally part of it.</p>
<p>I tried to make a point in my book, that it is the power of thought, depth, and pureness of meaning that I believe transcended me to where I was, and thought is something that can not be measured, so scientifically it doesnt count in most equations, not forming part of any empirical studies as a result.</p>
<p>In my experience, I was aware of two things in particular, vibration and speed, and can only say, I realised there was no such thing as time, which I believe I crossed, and certainly another dimension.</p>
<p>Unable to talk about this for the first three years, I wrote it all down. I have always had difficulty talking about it to anyone as your automatically assumed mad. However, I am not mad, and though it happened 20 years ago, from what i&#8217;m reading in comments, things still remain the same.</p>
<p>There is a lot that science needs to redress, and no particular scientific doctrine has all the answers. Maybe they never will, and maybe theyre not supposed to. But there is a higher force, much much greater than us, which is all knowing, and watching.</p>
<p>Thought, is the key IMHO, and as William James (1850) theorized, some people can reach a higher level of consciousness than others, which could explain why some trandscend and others dont.</p>
<p>As John Jones says &#8221; If the study of consciousness is a physical study then we ought to see that it is bogus straight away&#8221;.</p>
<p>Of course, from an empirical perspective. But in seeking the answers Dr Parnia wants<br />
he is using trauma patients, as they have brought their experiences to his attention, so he&#8217;s looking for the physical connection. I wanted to let him know, it happened to me, and I wasn&#8217;t a trauma patient in a medical sense, dieing on a table. But experiencing emotional trauma, and of the belief I might die. </p>
<p>Hence why I know, thought was the trigger, and like Sandy Acharjee, I remember every second.</p>
<p>Being only human  myself, I am still also learning.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Man-Paggon</title>
		<link>http://www.skeptic.org.uk/news/2010/2494/comment-page-1#comment-1514</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Man-Paggon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Nov 2010 19:32:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely fantastic.</description>
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		<title>By: Martha s.</title>
		<link>http://www.skeptic.org.uk/news/2010/2494/comment-page-1#comment-1511</link>
		<dc:creator>Martha s.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Nov 2010 19:09:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely agree. I mean, I&#039;m out of my body, having no idea what the hell is going on. I look down and there&#039;s my body wide open and all these people around trying to bring me back in life. Why in the name of Mike would I look on the ceiling, trying to find some silly pictures! Hey! The spectacle is down on the table, with me on top of it! That&#039;s what would attract my curiocity and attention! But who knows? Maybe someone will find the ceiling more interesting! lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely agree. I mean, I&#8217;m out of my body, having no idea what the hell is going on. I look down and there&#8217;s my body wide open and all these people around trying to bring me back in life. Why in the name of Mike would I look on the ceiling, trying to find some silly pictures! Hey! The spectacle is down on the table, with me on top of it! That&#8217;s what would attract my curiocity and attention! But who knows? Maybe someone will find the ceiling more interesting! lol</p>
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		<title>By: Siggi</title>
		<link>http://www.skeptic.org.uk/news/2010/2494/comment-page-1#comment-1466</link>
		<dc:creator>Siggi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Oct 2010 12:02:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with this method of testing is that if you don&#039;t tell the patient there&#039;s something to look at, and would he please look if he finds himself out of his body, he probably won&#039;t look. How many normally conscious people would notice the rig attatched to the ceiling, never mind those going through an OOBE?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with this method of testing is that if you don&#8217;t tell the patient there&#8217;s something to look at, and would he please look if he finds himself out of his body, he probably won&#8217;t look. How many normally conscious people would notice the rig attatched to the ceiling, never mind those going through an OOBE?</p>
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		<title>By: dude</title>
		<link>http://www.skeptic.org.uk/news/2010/2494/comment-page-1#comment-1363</link>
		<dc:creator>dude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 21:11:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hah ^John Jones has the right idea. Thats kind of how I feel, we will never find shit about consciousness just by physically examining it. Its almost like trying to discovering a god by looking up into the sky.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hah ^John Jones has the right idea. Thats kind of how I feel, we will never find shit about consciousness just by physically examining it. Its almost like trying to discovering a god by looking up into the sky.</p>
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		<title>By: John Jones</title>
		<link>http://www.skeptic.org.uk/news/2010/2494/comment-page-1#comment-1354</link>
		<dc:creator>John Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 12:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any claim to  &quot;studying&quot; consciousness&quot; is necessarily bogus. No study or examination of matter will tell us that matter is conscious. And the brain supplies no information about consciousness as it is a hybrid physical/experiential object whose physical limits have been determined through reports of experience.

Sometimes I wonder if we aren&#039;t skeptical enough. If the study of consciousness is a physical study then we ought to see that it is bogus straight away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any claim to  &#8220;studying&#8221; consciousness&#8221; is necessarily bogus. No study or examination of matter will tell us that matter is conscious. And the brain supplies no information about consciousness as it is a hybrid physical/experiential object whose physical limits have been determined through reports of experience.</p>
<p>Sometimes I wonder if we aren&#8217;t skeptical enough. If the study of consciousness is a physical study then we ought to see that it is bogus straight away.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandy Acharjee</title>
		<link>http://www.skeptic.org.uk/news/2010/2494/comment-page-1#comment-1353</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandy Acharjee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 02:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had a &quot;code blue! code 99!&quot; incidence in the intemnsive care unit of a very modern hospital where the Emergency Response Team was unable to revive me. Clinically, I was gone for three days and experienced the Divine Encounter. I do not remember a single moment of those three days in this world, but I recall every second of the three days outside of this world. I wrote a book named Code Blue 99 and I&#039;m willing to share every momemt of my experience to anyone who might be interested or might benefit from my encounter.

Thank you.

Sandy Acharjee</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a &#8220;code blue! code 99!&#8221; incidence in the intemnsive care unit of a very modern hospital where the Emergency Response Team was unable to revive me. Clinically, I was gone for three days and experienced the Divine Encounter. I do not remember a single moment of those three days in this world, but I recall every second of the three days outside of this world. I wrote a book named Code Blue 99 and I&#8217;m willing to share every momemt of my experience to anyone who might be interested or might benefit from my encounter.</p>
<p>Thank you.</p>
<p>Sandy Acharjee</p>
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		<title>By: Dermal Fillers, Wrinkle Fillers - PLASTIC SURGERY:Dermal Fillers: Restylane Radiesse Silicone</title>
		<link>http://www.skeptic.org.uk/news/2010/2494/comment-page-1#comment-1351</link>
		<dc:creator>Dermal Fillers, Wrinkle Fillers - PLASTIC SURGERY:Dermal Fillers: Restylane Radiesse Silicone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2010 01:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Skeptic: Blog &#187; Dr Sam Parnia on Near Death Experiences, live from the APRU at Goldsmiths ... [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The Skeptic: Blog &raquo; Dr Sam Parnia on Near Death Experiences, live from the APRU at Goldsmiths &#8230; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.skeptic.org.uk/news/2010/2494/comment-page-1#comment-1299</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 06:23:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Done. You&#039;ve posted some interesting links. Here&#039;s the link to the group if anyone else wants to have a look: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=82182042432</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Done. You&#39;ve posted some interesting links. Here&#39;s the link to the group if anyone else wants to have a look: <a href="http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=82182042432" rel="nofollow">http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=82182042432</a></p>
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		<title>By: Maya</title>
		<link>http://www.skeptic.org.uk/news/2010/2494/comment-page-1#comment-1298</link>
		<dc:creator>Maya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 00:52:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, join us on the &#8216;Human Consciousness Project&#8217; blog on Facebook. It would be handy to have u there :-)
&#160;
Cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, join us on the &lsquo;Human Consciousness Project&rsquo; blog on Facebook. It would be handy to have u there <img src='http://www.skeptic.org.uk/news/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
&nbsp;<br />
Cheers</p>
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		<title>By: Maya</title>
		<link>http://www.skeptic.org.uk/news/2010/2494/comment-page-1#comment-1297</link>
		<dc:creator>Maya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2010 22:01:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Big Thanx!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Big Thanx!</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.skeptic.org.uk/news/2010/2494/comment-page-1#comment-1296</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2010 18:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The video is now online here: http://skeptic.org.uk/archive/580-parnia-apru
I hope it&#039;s ok. Enjoy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The video is now online here: <a href="http://skeptic.org.uk/archive/580-parnia-apru" rel="nofollow">http://skeptic.org.uk/archive/580-parnia-apru</a><br />
I hope it&#39;s ok. Enjoy.</p>
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		<title>By: Maya</title>
		<link>http://www.skeptic.org.uk/news/2010/2494/comment-page-1#comment-1292</link>
		<dc:creator>Maya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Apr 2010 00:36:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fantastic. Thank u for organising it ; -)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fantastic. Thank u for organising it ; -)</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.skeptic.org.uk/news/2010/2494/comment-page-1#comment-1291</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Apr 2010 23:40:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Maya,
It&#039;s not online yet but the video is ready. It&#039;s just under 400MB so I&#039;m hoping to upload it later this week via a faster connection than the one to which I typically have access. I&#039;ll leave a further comment here with the link when it does go online.
	
	Thanks for the interest though!
Cheers,
	Mark.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Maya,<br />
It&#39;s not online yet but the video is ready. It&#39;s just under 400MB so I&#39;m hoping to upload it later this week via a faster connection than the one to which I typically have access. I&#39;ll leave a further comment here with the link when it does go online.</p>
<p>	Thanks for the interest though!<br />
Cheers,<br />
	Mark.</p>
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		<title>By: Maya</title>
		<link>http://www.skeptic.org.uk/news/2010/2494/comment-page-1#comment-1290</link>
		<dc:creator>Maya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Apr 2010 12:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mark,
	
	Myself and few others have been waiting for the video - has it been published yet?
	
	All the best,
	
	Maya</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mark,</p>
<p>	Myself and few others have been waiting for the video &#8211; has it been published yet?</p>
<p>	All the best,</p>
<p>	Maya</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.skeptic.org.uk/news/2010/2494/comment-page-1#comment-1276</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 15:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Jack: Forgive me if if this incorrect - I had to concentrate more on the camera and stream than the talk - but I believe AWARE is still running. If the current phase produces significant, positive results then the plan is to progress to a second, computer assisted phase to tighten the experimental controls. Sam seemed to suggest that results might be available in a couple of years, though I don&#039;t know how that fits into the schedule for the project.
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mindbodysymposium.com/Human-Consciousness-Project/the-AWARE-study.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.mindbodysymposium.com/Human-Consciousness-Project/the-AWARE-study.html&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wholescience.net/?p=163&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.wholescience.net/?p=163&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Jack: Forgive me if if this incorrect &#8211; I had to concentrate more on the camera and stream than the talk &#8211; but I believe AWARE is still running. If the current phase produces significant, positive results then the plan is to progress to a second, computer assisted phase to tighten the experimental controls. Sam seemed to suggest that results might be available in a couple of years, though I don&#39;t know how that fits into the schedule for the project.<br />
<a href="http://www.mindbodysymposium.com/Human-Consciousness-Project/the-AWARE-study.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mindbodysymposium.com/Human-Consciousness-Project/the-AWARE-study.html</a><br />
<a href="http://www.wholescience.net/?p=163" rel="nofollow">http://www.wholescience.net/?p=163</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jack Stevens</title>
		<link>http://www.skeptic.org.uk/news/2010/2494/comment-page-1#comment-1275</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Stevens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 14:02:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see, so there was no mention of what kind of results they were finding... Is the AWARE project still on track to be completed or did it get derailed?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see, so there was no mention of what kind of results they were finding&#8230; Is the AWARE project still on track to be completed or did it get derailed?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.skeptic.org.uk/news/2010/2494/comment-page-1#comment-1274</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 09:58:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Jack: I&#039;ll be posting a video of the talk online fairly soon. It&#039;ll form part of the Media Archive at http://skeptic.org.uk/archive but will be announced via the Psychology of the Paranormal Email Network &lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gold.ac.uk/apru/email-network/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.gold.ac.uk/apru/email-network/&lt;/a&gt;&gt;, as with all APRU events.
The study itself is ongoing and the analysis hasn&#039;t been conducted yet but the talk was intriguing nonetheless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Jack: I&#39;ll be posting a video of the talk online fairly soon. It&#39;ll form part of the Media Archive at <a href="http://skeptic.org.uk/archive" rel="nofollow">http://skeptic.org.uk/archive</a> but will be announced via the Psychology of the Paranormal Email Network &lt;<a href="http://www.gold.ac.uk/apru/email-network/" rel="nofollow">http://www.gold.ac.uk/apru/email-network/</a>&gt;, as with all APRU events.<br />
The study itself is ongoing and the analysis hasn&#39;t been conducted yet but the talk was intriguing nonetheless.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Stevens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack Stevens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 02:39:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did not get a chance to see it... what did he have to say? Any news on the preliminary results?</description>
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